http://www.ketron.it/news/index.asp?idNews=47&parte=2

hope you guys have a fast internet connection

gonna check em out now ;-)

too bad Ketrons servers are slow like a snail

i usually download at 1,500 KB/Sec
but can only go 60 KB/Sec from Ketron site

Drums are amazing
Good sounding Demos
Love the Bossa

Diki, please listen to all,
and let us know what you think...

Thank you for the link
Sounds great, and nice played by the performer.
Wondering about if it's possible to adjust any of the
EQ effects for the audio loops, i.e. drums?

Cheers
GJ

Yes GJ you can.

Very nice demo's
This is the way to demo such a machine.

Impuls

Wow! Very nice sound demos. Finally..

Now before you throw me to the Lions I want to clarify the above statement. This is the first time there has been an excellent quality "audio" demo along with a video presentation that I can recall. There have been many other videos of the Audya of course but these videos outshine them by far in my humble opinion. Kudos to Ketron and the demonstrator for really making the Audya shine in these videos. Extremely well done, and furthermore, it finally illustrates the magnitude of the Audya's capabilities.

I predict that the Audya will garner many accolades and awards from the Media in the coming months, including next years M.I.P.A. award for best portable Keyboard/Organ. That is unless of course Yammie, Korg, or Roland beats Ketron to the punch by releasing something at either Summer NAMM '09 or Winter NAMM 2010. As it stands now though Ketron is the easy favorite in my opinion.

I have to fess up and tell y'all that even though Michael Jackson may have been considered the King Of Pop the Ketron Audya is definitely "KING OF THE HILL" as far as I'm concerned. The "mystery" of the Audya is now beginning to unfold for the good. No other Arranger, current or past, can measure up to what the Audya brings to the table regarding sound realism and features. Yes, the Audya does lack in some areas e.g. paltry internal RAM capacity, audio styles don't work in conjunction with sus/dim/aug chords, only USB 1.1 etc., but using the Audya simply as a Live instrument keyboard it truly appears to outshine all the others including the T3, Pa2X, G70, etc.

Two other concerns with the Audya that I have are when using the audio guitars there is no ability to add modulation or pitch bend to them right? And there is NO Registration(s) feature similar to what Yamaha has on their arrangers if I'm not mistaken correct? Also, the demonstrator seems to be preoccupied with pushing buttons and it detracts from his performance somewhat. If Registrations (if it has them) could be set up beforehand most of that "pushing" could have been done away with. Although, maybe Ketron wanted people to see the relative ease at which it could be accomplished - pushing the buttons that is. Maybe they didn't show the demonstrator's face because they didn't want people to see him squint repeatedly. Those sure are small buttons.

All the best,
Mike

Some very impressive RH sounds, the organ and piano were excellent...the Sax not so hot...not anywhere near SA Sax realism.

The drums were also very, very good...absolutely "live" sounding.

I'm disappointed the rest of the style parts weren't louder...the bass and drums dominated the mix far too much...once in a while the guitar parts could be heard, but for an arranger that features "audio guitars", they weren't showcased very well.

Along on the lines of what Mike was saying, there seemed to be a bit of awkwardness with the buttons, although perhaps this will get better with familiarity.

Again, referring to Mike's mention of the audio styles not working in conjunction with sus/dim/aug chords; I suppose there will be some players who can live with it...I know I couldn't...I use those chords far too often.

Certainly the demos are of much better quality, and far better than what we've heard from the Mediastation.

Ian

I just listened to these demos and wasn't very impressed at all, I don't hear what the big deal is. To be honest they are just ok, but compared to Yamaha top/mid units like my S900 or Tyros 3 the Audya definitly falls a bit short. I can't believe what they are asking for that unit also, not to mention the lack or service & third support in case you need repair also. I would say that the Korg Pa2x, & Roland G70 also are above the Audya in Sound & Styles, support too, but that's my personal opinion. Demos are just that, meant to provoke the customer to buy nothing more. Good luck for those who buy the Audya, hope it works for you. But I would bet trying to sell one and get you money back will definitly be hard to come by. It's just not something that would interest me especially at $4900.00

I'm surprised you weren't impressed John. You don't work for Yamaha do you? Just kidding.. Did you listen to the demos through a decent sound system John? If not then that could be the problem. What I got from the demos was an excellent "live" band feel. Most of the sounds the demonstrator(s) played I thought were outstanding, although I noticed it was mainly just Piano, Guitar, Organ, and Brass with the 'main' focus on the Guitars. There was no real String(s) or Woodwind demos (flute, oboe, etc.) and not much in the way of Synth sounds really. I'm guessing Ketron is wanting to stick with the meat and potato sounds and keep the spinach and broccoli under wraps and out of sight perhaps. In other words, just showcase the best and leave perhaps the "tepid" rest of the sounds to the imagination.

Perhaps Ketron will do another batch of videos that will highlight some of the other sound categories too. The more we know about its sounds, the more informed of a decision people will have to open up their wallets and fork over the big bucks if need be. And I mean BIG bucks.

BTW, I have an excellent sound card in the PC I listened to the demos with and an outstanding 3 piece Klipsch speaker system that are especially made for bringing out the true quality and nature of any given musical piece. Believe me when I tell you that if the sounds I heard in the video demos (which are actually 'compressed' .avi) are as good in person as they are through what my ears deduced while listening to them through my Kplisch PC speakers, then without a doubt the Audya exceeds everything else currently on the market in my humble opinion. For instance, there is NO other arranger that I'm aware of that even comes close to the quality of guitar sounds on the Audya in my opinion. The Accordion(s) were fantastic too; EP's as well, along with everything else in my opinion. Of course most of the guitars in the demos were "audio" sampled guitars but nevertheless there is still no comparison to the rest of the pack if you ask me. I can't imagine that any of the sounds could somehow be diminished when playing it Live in person either. On the contrary, the Audya should sound even better live and in person. Now if we could just get Ketron to drop the price a couple grand eh? The price tag is the biggest obstacle in most people's way of getting an Audya right now, especially in these dire global economic times that we're currently experiencing. Even if they only dropped it a grand their sales would probably double in no time I dare say. I know, I know.. keep dreaming right?

All the best,
Mike


[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 06-27-2009).]

If you really comparing S900 to Audya then i should say i feel sorry for you, i know it all
comes down to personal taste but still...not that personal Funny...i wont even compare T3 with it.

I listened to quite a few of the demos in Musicial area's I like...Well, I know the Ketron has Issues to correct,etc...But I really LIKE what I hear!

First the Styles: I LIKE the Live Sound. Not a whole bunch of umm-Baa Baa stuff,2-3 Guitars,Hand claps,Midi file Sounding ...Just a Real Sounding Small Band playing off each other!...Punch,Punch,Punch...

Sounds...Most Important to Me...Piano..EXCELLENT...Sounds Great with DYNAMICS...Just hearing it, wants Me want to play it!...For Me I think it Works in a Band or Smooth Solo...Organ...Sounds Great...Now Sax and Horn...For me I still like these and some others(Korg,etc)...They Have BITE for fast passages and PLUS you can use the Mod wheel to be in control,Plus Volume pedal...To me the Yamaha is Great for the Solo Slow stuff, but anything else it hurts You somewhat...The Old Ketron Sampled Golden Trumpet is still the warmest and Bold Trumpet to me....Love it...

I know Everyone has their Thaughts which is completely different from mine I'm sure....That's Good...Have a Great Day!...Back to Work Outside....Harold

John,

if you are no impressed with those Demos of AUDYA...
then why don't you post some of your Demos from ANY other arranger and comapre side by side to these

record those same styles from YOUR arranger, so we can understand what good styles are supposed to sound like

There is NO OTHER ARRANGER with the quality of styles, the clean "cutting sound", the LIVE IN YOUR FACE sound... the KILLER DRUMS

i own the G-70, and it's styles can't compare,
Merengue on G-70 a joke
Salsa on G-70 a joke
Bossa on G-70 a joke
Cha-Cha not even close to AUDYA
Disco 70's on AUDYA awesome

are we listening to same keyboard?

http://music-tyros.com/en/audio/index.html

btw lee do you own an Audya?

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 06-28-2009).]

Dnj,

i do not own an AUDYA

BTW, those Tyros 3 Drums are a JOKE when comaparing to AUDYA's

So, isn't this somewhat like a bunch of people with average cars, getting all worked up about the pros and cons of the latest Lamborghini? Sure... it goes 0-60 in under 3 seconds. But you can't put the family in it, heck, you can't afford to even have it tuned up

OF COURSE, a $5000 arranger damn well ought to sound amazing. Thing is, sound isn't everything. Flexibility, ease of editing and style creation, logical panel layout, and the likelihood of continued style development at an affordable price are considerations.

I really liked the demos (didn't listen to them all, but at least ten), and in fact have said how good the Audya sounds from the first day they posted decent audio demos (BTW, why the hell are these up as videos? Audio would have been sufficient). However, the sound ALONE is but a small part of the whole arranger experience. For $5000, I expect that and much more.

The sound I already get, for how I use it, is more than sufficient. To gain the extra realism of the Audya (for certain, but by no means ALL the sounds), I would have to give up FAR too much that I take for granted on my G70. AND pay a boatload more money. Editing ease, operational ease, flexibility and customizability are VERY important to me. When my current arranger does such a good job, why would I give up all that I need, for a bit better drums and guitars (didn't hear much else dramatically improved)?

When this technology matures, and becomes available at a more down to earth price, then I will revisit it (by then, perhaps all the editing and style creation abilities will have been figured out, and more chord choices for the audio will be possible. But until then, I can wait.

And the very vocal fanboys can put a poster up in their dormrooms, next to that one of the Ferrari F50, that they also will never actually BUY! It's great to dream, but if you actually have enough to REALLY buy one, some of the more practical considerations come into play...

What I don't understand is why insult other peoples instruments. The drums and sounds on the Tyros 3 are far from a joke. And comparing with a instrument of more then 5 years old (G70) isn't also very fair.





[This message has been edited by FransN (edited 06-28-2009).]

Gee Diki "I'm not all worked up"... I just responded to a post someone kindly put on the Zone...And Yes I can't afford the Ketron Now...But I responded to the Post to MY feelings only!...Again There are really alot of GREAT arrangers on the Market Now...That is Wonderful...Including the G-70 that suits Your every need, You keep reminding everyone...Even when We don't ASK...

Have a Great Day...Harold

Guess that's what I'm doing, also... OK with you?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Harold S:
[B]Gee Diki "I'm not all worked up"... I just responded to a post someone kindly put on the Zone...And Yes I can't afford the Ketron Now...But I responded to the Post to MY feelings only!...Again There are really alot of GREAT arrangers on the Market Now...That is Wonderful...Including the G-70 that suits Your every need, You keep reminding everyone...Even when We don't ASK...Quote from Harold...


Harold, I understand Diki's views...He just emphasized what "he" would have to give up...to replace the G70..with just about any other keyboard..I actually agree with him..As other former/current G70 users..they also realise there are many features that would be lost with another replacement keyboard..

I think the Ketron board is the BEST sounding arranger keyboard on the market...

Of course all the top brands have there strength sounds....but over all the Audya tops all in the sounds...

The problem for me ...it appears that the new Ketron offering still uses the old OS from the X1 days...I loved the X1, except for the OS and the SMF playback...but I always had a Roland it had to compare too..

The other problem from the X1 days, and continued into the SD1 days...so most likely remain still with the Audya...The mic/ and it's settings that had a mind of it's own...

Fran and Diki...I agree with Everything You Have to say about the G-70...It's a Great Keyboard...But I think the Posting was referring to the Quality of the Styles and Sounds in the Audya...I've been a Roland Guy for a long time...But again, There is alot of Great arrangers Now to meet Most peoples needs...As I mentioned in My first post, the Audya has some Issues now...But again, remember the G-70 took some time to reach it's Greatness...Same with the Korgs,etc...I Wish Ketron the Best to keep going with this Keyboard...Plus It will bring Better things to come from the Others In their New Keyboards...Really I Like All the Keyboards...Those Yamaha Guitars are to Die For, plus Much More!...Same with Korg...I just don't want to get way off topic!......Best Wishes...Harold

I agree..

To be honest, apart from the audio loops, so far I'm not really hearing anything in the voices themselves that is much of a leap forward from current arrangers. And I have to confess, I still believe that Yamaha still has a HUGE advantage over the Audya with their SA2 voices. Not to mention Mega Voice sounds for styles.

Thing is, when you are listening to those Audya styles, you are hearing a REAL drummer and guitarist, mostly. And that goes a LONG way to distract you from how ordinary many of the other sounds are. The styles ARE very well programmed, very usable the way they are. But that's a darn good thing, because for the drums and guitar, you can't do a damn thing to them, and all the MIDI parts currently are close to uneditable, and likely, unless Ketron have an entirely new style editing OS in the works (highly unlikely, given their penchant for announcing new things YEARS in advance ), to remain as difficult to edit as the SD-1 is/was.

As with most things (especially computer based things), the first of its' kind is usually overpriced, buggy and in need of considerable improvement. I applaud all the early adopters, SOMEONE has to beta test this stuff But I just think I can wait a while, and let the technology mature a bit more. Who knows... this stuff (audio loops) isn't exactly rocket science, Perhaps a company that DOES have a good track record of flexibility and ease of editing will come out with something similar... (hint hint, Fran )

I have to agree on these points. Roland has a big chance to take a step ahead in the arranger wars waiting in the wings but will they?

i would LOVE a Roland TOTL Arranger built like Fantom, with THE top sounds, with audio loops, with live drums, with GREAT authentic styles (REAL LATIN MUSICIANS) much like Ketron, but CHEAPER

but will it ever happen?

Yes, it will happen.......
but it won't be cheap imo.

I see AJ hasn't chimed in to address some of the questions in this thread concerning the Audya i.e. is there pitch/bend or mod ability for the audio guitars??, etc. I guess he doesn't want to "rock the boat" anymore than it's already rocked eh? If he replies the boat just might just tip over - so don't make waves by not replying. Smart.

Remember guys that Yamaha has a patent out for a similar type technology that the Audya uses i.e. an intelligent arranger that will add more variation and variety to Style playing. Strict looped based playing will soon be a thing of the past in my opinion. Yamaha is hot on Ketron's tail and will most assuredly have an intelligent based Arranger on the market with their next high-end offering. Yes, I mean the Tyros4 or whatever they decide to call it. It's still two or three years away though most likely but rest assured it is coming. Most likely it will also come in at a price point quite a bit under what the Audya costs too. This won't affect the current Audya's sales of course because Ketron will probably already have the Audya's replacement in the final stages of development by the time the Tyros4?? makes it to market in 2011 or 2012. If Yamaha gets the Drums right on the Tyros4?? and they make a 76 key version to boot, it will give Yamaha a huge leverage over the arranger market and will definitely ignite sales. And adding an Arranger with intelligent design and functions will make it that much more appealing to the masses.

>> Be it known, I probably would have sprung for an Audya if it weren't for the astronomical price and the deficiencies in a few areas e.g. RAM, USB, etc. If Yamaha indeed has an intelligent Arranger on the market by 2011 or 2012 I'm almost positive it will be less expensive than the Audya's current price, making it well worth the wait.

>> I'm sure AJ is also relieved I won't be getting an Audya. If I had gotten one can you imagine how much I would be picking his brain then? >> Whew!! he says.. as he wipes his brow in amazed relief.

All the best,
Mike



[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 06-29-2009).]

Perhaps he just thinks that questions like that are too crazy to even bother answering?

The audio guitars are in the style section ONLY. Heck, we don't even have realtime pitchbend and mod capabilities on MIDI arrangers to do that! And doing it to audio loops is out of the question (and would sound pretty dubious even if we could).

As I see it Ketron has to drop the Audya price $1000.00 and quick to save this boat.....just listen to people...they love the sound/styles but wont buy due to price...so what does that tell you?

Naaaa...If you can afford to spend $4,000...you can afford $5,000

Fran,

i think i disagree

$5,000 is WAY more than any of the other BIG 3 arrangers,

and the AUDYA is NOT WAY better than the other 3...

yes, it's better (as far as authentic styles sounding LIVE) but $5,000 ?
maybe if it had the Roland Fantom build and a beautiful color screen, and 1 TB harddrive and 1GB RAM

and with that way of thinking , then why not $6,000?

if you could afford $5 why not $6

it's all about competition and staying competitive

people do look at sound, but they also look at build quality AND price

just my $.02

[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 06-29-2009).]

MANY musicians i talk to , say ye it sounds good but say " I would never pay that much for an arranger"

that's just what people are thinking

and yes, if it was $3,999 they would probably double sales

With competitive pricing.....you can look at the TOTL arrangers and cross reference all their features to make a comparable decision to what is more beneficial to YOU needs in an arranger....but when a unit is way over the rest with nothing to substantiate the price ...I'm sorry that's just plain greedy and their sales in a year from now will let them know that in this economy for sure....but by then other TOTL units will be available and the cycle repeats leaving Audya begins when they had the chance now to make their mark.

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 06-29-2009).]

There were a lot of organ companies that thought 'If they'll pay $4000 for an organ, they'll pay $6000'. They are now out of business.

It is just Ketron's poor luck (or judgment ) to decide to go VERY upscale, just as the recession hit. Perhaps with the freewheeling economy we used to have, and credit being extended for any frivolous purchases, they might have done better. We'll probably never know. And, in all fairness, if the Audya did everything they claimed it was going to do when announced, and they bothered to finish it before shipping, and they included TOTL editing capabilities, not just TOTL styles, and had a full manual, yada yada yada, I think even I would pony up the $5000...

But it doesn't. It's a VERY expensive ROM style player. Period. Close... but that only works for horseshoes and hand grenades

BTW, did anyone notice the demonstrator using any of the 'unsupported' chord types during real audio guitar demos?

Stick to what is provided, all seems well. I just wish, JUST ONCE, they would have the cojones to ask some more complex chords of the Audya, so that we can see how well they blend. Sorry if I missed one that does this. I listened to about 15 of them, but, as you say, download delivery is glacial. Maj7th's seemed pretty decent, but that's just adding the maj7 note to an audio Maj. Where are the Diminished? Where are the Aug's? Where are the Sus4's?

the Audya as good as as it sounds is simply a play back arranger so for me no matter what the price i couldnt buy it because after a year i would be bored with styles and guitar licks if i couldnt edit them . I know there are many users that dont get under the hood of their arranger but for $5000 you could by a pa2X and a tyros 2 and have a ball just using the preset sounds and styles.

The audya demos are nice but listen to this Tyros 3 demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkEQfEzNw9E and tell me if it doesnt inspire you

Strangely, spalding, no, not really... Big wash pads with a slow solo over them aren't really my bag. I am not sure why, but it seems to me that a large percentage of what I've heard demoed on the T3 tends to be these kinds of things rather than more uptempo dance things that the T2 demos emphasized.

I wish there were more T3 stuff out there that showed off the great Mega guitar stuff in the styles (might make some of the audio loop fanboys sit up and realize how close you can get without all the limitations that audio guitars impose) and the new drumkits. I guess that perhaps Yamaha simply thought everybody would remember these from the T2 and simply take it for granted. But memories are pretty short around here. There are still some VERY good style demos from the T2 (FAR more than has been released by Yamaha for the T3 - odd decision, IMO) that display its' impressive guitar capabilities in style mode (and the T3 has an even better guitar NTT, so why they don't feature this beats me).

But this demo, while very nice, doesn't really impress the same way that the Audya ones do, as simply a great machine for general pop and dance music. But much of the blame lies in Yamaha not spending as much time and effort as they did on the T2 showing off it's capabilities in a practical setting.... I mean, this T3 stuff is all well and good, but I wouldn't really be playing much of this at a gig! There is probably ten times as many official T2 demos up at Yamaha's Tyros sites than there is T3. And most of it is stuff (like the Audya demos) that we are likely to need and want to play.

Personally, I think the Audya would have FAR less gushing over it, were the T3 styles demoed as effectively. To be honest, if Yamaha or some third party produced a kick ass multi velocity real drum kit with decent punch, that played Yamaha styles without much tweaking necessary, as a TVN sample load for the sampler, it would give the MUCH more expensive Audya a real run for its' money...

DIki,

it's not only a KICK @ss drum kit that the TYROS needs, it needs VERY good , well programmed styles (like AUDYA) programmed by REAL musicians that know the music

i mean for the most part the sounds are there, it's just GREAT styles that these keyboards need, and being able to program your own styles (which is what the AUDYA desperately needs)

I think you are primarily referring to Latin styles, aren't you, Lee? Most of what I heard on the T3 sounds pretty good, but I'm no expert in current Latin styles.

Thing is, on a T3, if you find another arranger other than Ketron with a well programmed Latin style section, you can translate it, no problem. But if you want those audio drums and guitars, you are stuck with what Ketron provide, period. They can't be translated (until something else plays audio loops, anyway!), and you can't translate a third party style for the Ketron and still have the audio loops (which, given how good they are, you won't want to take a big step back and use regular MIDI drumkits).

This has always been one of my primary worries about the Audya... when the audio loop styles are SO good, but the ROM library does NOT address your primary performing genre very well, you will have to do a lot of swapping around between 'live loop' styles and FAR lesser MIDI kit styles. You appear to have hit the jackpot when it comes to Latin styles, but for others who don't play primarily that kind of music (mine tends to be reggae and New Orleans type stuff) we are going to have to rely on styles NOT so well programmed.

The trouble will occur as you play some songs with audio loops, and you sound killer, and then some songs with MIDI styles that DON'T. And nobody (I would imagine) wants to play something that inconsistent. When the ROM styles work out well for you, you are OK, but when they don't (or you only have a tiny selection of audio styles to perform your whole show in) you are faced with having payed $5000 for an arranger that you seldom get to play its' strongest stuff.

So before you make blanket statements like "it needs VERY good , well programmed styles (like AUDYA) programmed by REAL musicians that know the music", you really need to qualify that by mentioning the specific genre you are talking about. Because to my ears, and many many others here, an awful lot of the T3 styles are GREAT, and ARE programmed by musicians that 'know the music'.

I just wish they had punchier drums, that's all...

Oh, and a 76 and a Chord Sequencer...

yes, Diki, i was referring mainly to folk and latin stuff on the Ketron

and yes the Ketron Drums are very "punchy"
but unfortunately so is the price

Thanks, Lee.

It helps if you don't make sweeping comments like that one without qualifying exactly what you are referring to... There are some pretty touchy people on this forum!

You know, to a large extent, I honestly believe that most people pick their choice of arranger for whether the ROM styles suit the genres of music they tend to play, rather than for any particular sound or OS features. The T3 is a VERY good arranger, but without those Latin styles nailed, for you it's not very good. For someone else that plays a lot of jazz, for instance, it might be the best thing ever. Same arranger... two different viewpoints.

I really think that an awful lot of the forum rancor would die down if only people were more specific about WHY they like or hate something. It's a lot harder to get worked up if someone says 'the T3 Latin styles aren't very accurate' rather than 'the T3 styles suck!' We all use our arrangers differently. It helps to tell everyone HOW you use an arranger, and what you use it for, who you primarily play to, what volume, etc., then when you criticize a particular aspect of anything - arranger, PA equipment, whatever, members can decide if the comment relates to how THEY play and work, rather than assuming you are attacking THEIR pet system...

JMO...

Diki..."Oh,and a 76 and a chord sequencer"... Sorry,I really Don't think You will ever see Those two things ever again from Roland in a New High End Arranger....If fact, My feelings are...NO High End Arrangers in their Future Plans!.....Guess We will will have to go with what they offer If We continue to Buy New Roland Arrangers in the future...There is Always Korg,Yamaha,Ketron....Harold

Oops! My mistake. I thought there were actual audio sampled i.e. "multi-sampled" guitar voices/patches on the Audya. So they are just in the Style parts. Got it.

What is remarkable to me is how good those "midi" triggered guitars actually sound. I noticed in the video that the demonstrator used the pitch bend wheel on one of the guitar parts he was playing. I thought that might have been one of the many "midi" triggered guitars in that particular demo. Thanks again for clearing that up AJ err.. I mean Diki.

All the best,
Mike

[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 07-02-2009).]

I like to tell it like it is, I've gigged out with the T3, PA2xpro, and the Audya.

As for getting the job done with the most useable tools, I give the nod to the Audya.

I say the T3 has the most polished sound, the fills, overall style flow and balance of instruments, although I always have to crank the drums and percussion to get it to feel even close to what it should be.

The Pa2xpro has the most professional feel, things are where you want them to be, the flow of button pushes and use of pads really make me feel good to use, the fact I have to hit song play bothers me but i can make it work.

Vocals, the Pa2xpro has the best, followed by the Audya, the Audya gets hi marks for mulitple inputs and inputs types with 1/4" and XLR, plus the fact you can have 2 seperate vocal mics at the same time and sep effects too. the T3 isn't in the same league.

This past weekend I played 3 festivals, and other than the issues that I know of that are getting worked on the Audya played great, its too damn heavy.

Latin styles are the best, the most authentic, and have the best driving feel. all the other genres have hits and misses just like the other guys, while the sounds on the Audya are not studio sounding pristine recordings, they have a gritty analog fat sound that fills without the need for extra effects and layering, while the T3 seems very thin, and the Pa2xpro seems to need more effects.

just my 2 cents or .027 euros.

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Well, let's put it this way... If you mention the 'audio guitars' to anyone else on this forum, especially in the context of the Audya, they will assume you are talking about the audio loops. And, as far as I can remember, no-one has ever called the guitar sampled instruments in their arrangers "audio guitars". But if you feel like pretending this is anything but your own fault for not using the usual terms, feel free...

Now, excuse me, I have to go play my audio piano and audio bass (I suppose that would make it different to an non-audio piano and bass, wouldn't it? ) Hey, if I play with my arranger switched off, would that make it a NON-audio arranger?

No, it would make it silent bliss for not having to listen to you play so loud. >> Get it? The G70 is an arranger. You switch your arranger i.e. G70 off and you won't hear anything of course because it would be off. PS: I know what you meant but saying it the way you did implied (to me) that your G70 itself was turned off. Touché!

All the best,
Mike

Actually, I DID mean with the power completely 'off'...

If I left the arranger section off, but still could play, well, there's the audio again!

I was quite impressed by those videos. Styles in Audya are very lively and credible in my opinion. You can also download them much faster on this link http://www.ketronmusic.co.uk/media/video/index.html

If you convert another arranger's style to KETRON and load into AUDYA, you (the user) using the AUDIO MORPHING FEATURE NOW AVAILABLE IN OS 2.0 or higher can ENHANCE this initiall MIDI-style (or midifile) by adding AUDIO DRUMS, BASS and CHORD 5. Now you have a style brought 'up to AUDYA quality'.

In a later OS (coming soon), we'll even give you more banks so you can also enhance chords 1, 2, 3 and 4 in a similar fassion. We understand there are lots of users out there who would love to bring into AUDYA their current styles (either from Ketron or other manufacturer's arrangers) but fear the distinguished 'drop in quality' once you port a midi-based style into an arranger that has AUDIO STYLES, so for this, we give you the opportunity to mix/edit it a little. Now you can (using existing styles from other manufacturers that have been converted to KETRON) 'make' your own AUDIO styles and use at your performances/recordings - a new door is opened for you!

*** No, you cannot apply pitch bend/modulation to the AUDIO looped guitars, bass or drums (the later can be stretched or pitched - depends on your setting under STYLE MODE - DRUM - Pitch/Stretch. You can however apply pitch bend/mod to the audio sample(s).

Thanks,

AJ

... and incase you didn't know, Yamaha T3 goes up to $4599.00 come AUGUST, 2009 (MAP/street price that is) - it's 2nd steady increase.

Slowly but steadily, they're catching up to the AUDYA ... in price!!

I guess when the T3 hits $4900.00 price won't be a factor to compare anymore (they are now only $400.00 away)? When do the Korg prices start to go up?

But no matter when the Yamaha reaches the Audya's price point, it's guitar parts won't drop out or change on dim/sus/aug chords...

Street price will be the determining factor. If what we hear is true, at least Yamaha dealers have a fair bit of leeway to play with the margin. It has been made obvious that Ketron dealers have nowhere near the leeway to play with the street price... margins are slimmer, hence less wiggle room.

AJ can you tell us will there be any possibility to edit pattern as in sd1 and "create new pattern" ,I mean sequencer for styles , or we can not expect that possibility

Well, I can darn will tell you the Tyros 3 is one hell of a keyboard - but at the current price levels I would not have bought mine. There comes a point where price to value comes into play.

By the way, if you listen to the demos of the T3 in DNJs post and go to the "Jazz" demo - I defy any Tyros 3 owner to post anything like what is on that demo. I could care less about demos that are "studio" prepared - what can I do live - that is the issue with me.

Hammer

Well, don't forget, Hammer... arrangers aren't STRICTLY for live use only. Many players (myself included) use them for record production, songwriting, etc. - non-realtime use that a demo of how good you CAN make an arranger, with sufficient time and editing skills, comes in very valuable. And don't feel slighted... the demos for EVERYTHING, WS's included, involve editing unless specifically indicated.

And while, yes, there might not be many on this forum that could approach those T3 demos, I am sure that Volcken, Baartmans and maybe a few others could come SO close, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference. Bottom line is, they ARE using no other gear to make the demos. If we can't come close to what Yamaha's demonstrators do, whose fault is that?

It is still 95% player, no matter what the ad copy says!

Hi Diki,
Good points and I totally agree with them. Sure would be nice if there were a few tutorials provided by the manufacturers to help owners get the most out of these TOTL keyboards. Might also sell a few more for them.

Hammer

[This message has been edited by hammer (edited 07-30-2009).]